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bazcook
Posts:30
Posted:8/21/2005 8:33:17 AM

Is it just me, or is the T5 quietly disappearing from shelves?


About 3 weeks ago, all my local Staples stores sold off their remaining T5s at $CDN297.00 and the bundles - the T5 with the 'free' WiFi card is harder to find around here than hen's teeth - and are running at about $150 less than the the original retail price of the T5 alone


Okay, I know there was much discussion when the T5 came out - not for what it had, but what it didn't (and at an unrealistic price) but is it possible that Palm has actually noted the rumblings, the dodgy support issues and the retail failure and has quietly stopped flogging it?


So we're left with the Zire 31, TE2 and LifeDrive as the only PDAs Palm has on the market now - each with their own, uh, issues when it comes to competitive features and price?


 


Oh how the mighty have fallen....



KWoodall
Posts:9
Posted:8/29/2005 6:10:02 AM
Ah, well, actually it is just you. The plan has been to remove T5's
from all store shelves whenever you're in the area. The Illuminati
Masters didn't say why to do this, but you understand, we don't
question their orders.



Kermit



bazcook
Posts:30
Posted:8/30/2005 7:44:18 AM

Ah well, I thought that might be the case - I'm hardly the Palm Illuminati's favourite flavour of person - questioning on a regular basis design, recent sloppy build quality, poor Support (relying instead on a user forum on their own site for 95% of the solutions) and for brain-dead decisions with stuff like their OS (like imbedding 3rd Party programs, previously available in owner memory and easily upgradeable, into a locked environment) - so small wonder the word has gone out to hide the products whenever I walk into a store...



Yet still I would like to upgrade to a more recent PDA - preferably one that had Wi-Fi, a large enough internal memory that meant that switching out an optional Wi-Fi card (already reported as problematic) wasn't required, that didn't crash on a regular basis and that didn't cost as much as a bargain basement notebook. 


Okay, so that product doesn't exist with Palm - the T5 Wi-Fi Bundle being the closest - and I have found a few retailers who haven't moved fast enough when I walk into their stores - that actually have the audacity to have cranked up the price of these recently to over $CDN500. But given I could pick up a LifeDrive for $CDN588 (if I was so stupid as to pay that sort of cash for $50 worth of hardware in a PDA) it's hardly a consideration. Set the T5 Wi-Fi Bundle at $CDN399 and its still well over-priced but maybe worth considering...


Despite the Illumuminati's best efforts, I really would like to buy another Palm as my next PDA, but the alternatives (like WinMobile) are starting to look good. The only thing saving me from going there so far has been, well - the OS, the inefficient use of (very little) memory and the need for Outlook on my machine (Ick! Yuck! Pooh!)...


Sigh. I guess my little E (with the crapped-out sound - 100 days in on a 90 day warranty) will be the PDA of choice for a while yet...


 



KWoodall
Posts:9
Posted:9/5/2005 11:00:12 AM
While I like a LOT of things about the Lifedrive it does feel a bit rushed out the door IMHO.



Basically PalmOS, with it's odd memory architecture, lack of
multitasking and integrated multimedia has gotten a bit ...constraining
for some developers.



WinCE developers do have an advantage now. Initially it was far more
expensive to build WinCE devices and they needed more memory. However
memory is cheap as dirt (well...it IS dirt in a way...) now and there
are plenty of configurations to choose from.



Grab a device with a CF slot and put your own 4gb/5gb/whatever drive in
it and you've matched the specs of the lifedrive for the most part.



I still prefer the PalmOS interface...I have plenty of devices around
but I find myself continuing to use my Sony Clie NX70v (which could
also, theoretically, take a CF hard drive if I wanted to put one in
it). It's fast with a crisp response.



KW



bazcook
Posts:30
Posted:9/9/2005 2:53:43 PM

Well, I tried Kermit, I really did.


I found a few T5 w/ the Wi-Fi bundles still kicking around in the stores. I futzed about in the Garnet OS and wasn't too concerned by what I found - but then, if I'm going to upgrade (from my TE) in an effort to gain Wi-Fi, do I really want a PDA where that is a forgotten feature and 'fixed' by a breakable dongle bunny ear blocking the only expansion slot?


Then I (briefly) thought about the LifeDrive - as it remains Palm's only all-in PDA. But, like you, I think it's been rushed out the door. It may be multi-purpose, but it's big, expensive, inefficient and prone to crashes - it's the Ford Explorer of PDAs. Nope, I'll give a pass on that, too.


So....?


Well, you mentioned the inevitable in your post above. For better or worse (I guess I'll find out soon enough) I'm switching over to a WinMobile PDA - I've just got off the phone with Dell, having ordered their mid-range Axim X50.


For $CDN115.00 less than the T5 Bundle, I'll be getting slightly less onboard storage, but I'll gain two expansion slots, built-in Wi-Fi, a faster processor and a full year of Support, including next business day replacement, if required.


The X50 is upgradable and Dell will be sending along the WinMobile 5 OS when its available. Reviews I've found on the net seem to be, on the whole, positive - and that can't be said for either the T5 or LifeDrive.


Now granted,  I'm not dead keen on Active Sync and even less-so on Outlook (and I'm not looking forward to the migration) and it would certainly be a whole lot easier to upgrade to a similar OS (and keep some of my favourite freeware programs), but I can't help but feel that Palm has lost it's way - but it doesn't have anything competitive out there, even against a product that is nearly a year old.


 



bazcook
Posts:30
Posted:9/15/2005 5:39:22 AM

Timing is everything....


So my Axim is on its way from the factory and today I'm reading rumours that indeed the T5 is indeed dead and that its replacement (with both BT and Wi-Fi built-in) should hit the shelves on October 11th. The price - around $US300.


Missed by that much...


No regrets (yet) about my decision to change OSs, though obviously it would have been nice to know about this new Tungsten (and its release date) beforehand - an upgrade far less angst than a complete overhaul - but one can't function constantly worried about the should'a and could'a, especially when it comes to consumer computing. Still, Palm lost themselves at least one user  by failing to keep its users 'in the loop' and then, when building a product, to actually produce something people want at a reasonable cost.


Que sera, sera...



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