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sstoffer Posts:3
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| Posted:4/20/2005 1:56:47 AM |
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After five long years use on my old Palm IIIxe (and looking still new and working great), I am now considering a new pda. I am very picky about what I purchase. Futhermore, I am a devout Palm follower. I have been most attracted to the Palm Zire 72 lately. However, I have some concerns regarding the non-replacable Lithium ion battery and the expensive pricetag. If I am going to spend $300.00 or more on a pda I would expect it to last at least as long as my old palm IIIxe. Instead I have read that these integrated lithium batteries may last as little as two years with normal use. And with no easy and relatively inexpensive means to replace it, I find it hard to justify such an expense. Why can't PalmOne make the battery user replaceable just like in some Pocket PC models? If this is the way PalmOne is going to take in making pdas(disposable), then I would rather spend my hard earned cash on the less expensive (and still disposable?) Zire 31 or a Pocket PC. At least I have less concern for its' loss or breakage. Someone please give me hope. I would like to stay being a Palm user. - Stephen
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bkhoste Posts:1
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| Posted:4/20/2005 4:54:15 AM |
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I don't know if this will help but I found this website for replacement parts for PDA's. I have a Zire 72 and I love it. I never though I would use the camera feature at all, but with two kids it is handy, not to mention if you get in a car accident you can snap some quick picks of the car, damage and other person (it might freak them out, but who cares if they hit you). Anyway, here is the website to the Zire 72 replacement battery, http://www.gethightech.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=PA1382&Category_Code=BATT They also sell the tools to take your PDA apart, I did it with my M130 and had no problems doing it. Let me know if you have any questions. Brandon
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sstoffer Posts:3
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| Posted:4/20/2005 11:43:57 AM |
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Thanks! I really appreciate this information! Now I have a compelling reason to stay with PalmOne! But first I will wait a little longer until they drop the price. I'm not quite ready yet to let go of the Palm IIIxe and the assessories I have purchased for it over the years. It has been a wonderful pda. I also have some debts on my credit card that have to be resolved first. But I hope PalmOne continues to manufacture them at least through this year. One more thing. does anyone on this forum like the PalmOne Zire 31? Just Curious. - Stephen
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watcherjohn Posts:4
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| Posted:4/21/2005 8:16:09 AM |
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The screen is the thing. I had a PIIIx and just got the Z72. The resolution, color & contrast of the new screen make the PIIIx look like a pocket calculator. All the additional functions, MP3 player, camera, larger - non volitale internal memory, make a world of difference. Anyway - my 2 ¢
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millsda2 Posts:2
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| Posted:5/9/2005 2:35:54 AM |
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I can understand the sentimental attachment to a PDA that you've had for a long time, but when it comes to comparing something like the IIIxe to a newer PDA like the Z72 or even the 31...there's really no comparison...it's just that much better.
The only thing that seperates the men from the boys...is the lessons they learn. www.planetmills.com |
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buckeyetex315 Posts:6
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| Posted:5/11/2005 8:38:55 AM |
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I've had a Palm Vx for almost 5 years now. No problems with the battery running down or wearing out ever. I am in an out of my office everyday and use it pretty extensively (but not constantly) while out of the office. It is usually in my cradle charging when I am at my desk, but I also carry it to meetings, etc. while in the office. Most evenings it gets an overnight charge in my cradle at home. I have not had any problems with charge memory (losing charge capacity from overcharging). Palm seems to have built good control circuitry to help prevent that occurrence. Of course, my Vx doesn't have a camera, an mp3 player OR a color screen like the Zire 72 does either. I'm sure those use a lot of power when used extensively during the day. But based on my experience both with my Vx and my mobile phone, I don't think you'll have any problem with the battery wearing out. I also am interested in the Zire 72 as a replacement for my Vx. I need the memory expansion and would really enjoy the color screen and increase in processor speed. I also want the integrated camera since my mobile phone doesn't have one (Nokia 6610 - TMobile). The voice memo recorder is a plus that I think I will enjoy for recording quick thoughts or phone numbers, etc. I am not ready to use the Treo to integrate my phone and PDA yet. Since Local Number Portability arrived, I don't want to spend that much on an integrated device that I may not be able to move to a different mobile carrier. Good mobile phones are too cheap and reliable. I don't do email on my PDA and am not really interested in instant / text messaging or sending pix to my friends. I'm trying to wait to see if palmOne brings out a Zire "73" type device, but it sounds less and less like they will do so. Ideally, if they would add a large screen like the T5, more than 32MB RAM (at least 64M or 128M) and 802.11 WiFi to the Zire 72, I would purchase that device in a heartbeat. But with the announcement yesterday (?) of the Mobile Manager product line, I don't think they'll be bringing out a Zire with my desired specs anytime soon. I'm waiting until the LiveDrive comes out to take a look at that, but doubt that is what will fit my needs. I'm waiting to see if there will be a price decrease on the Zire 72 (I like the silver Special Edition) after the LifeDrive is announced. Brent
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bazcook Posts:30
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| Posted:5/11/2005 11:55:20 AM |
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Its also worth noting the Zire 72 model is a year old - quite some time, in PDA-speak. As such, you may also want to check out some of the software that comes 'free' with the 72 you're looking at. For instance, if its got Docs2Go 6, it will work on the unit but is no longer supported by DataViz, it's manufacturer. Do you really want to buy a new device with obsolete software on it? Other software may be available in upgraded form (AvantGo, VersaMail, etc) while others you may be stuck with - like the RealOne Player if it is installed within the OS ROM. The 72s (with included WiFi card or GPS, depending on the bundle) is the current configuration, without the rubbery blue paint that tended to flake off. The 72s with WiFi card recently dropped $CDN50 at my local Staples, so its seems its nearing the end of its lifespan. Speaking of which, the T5 (with bundled WiFi card) has also dropped in price - some $CDN100 - from its initial release price of the unit alone. Maybe not long for this world either - and so soon! Brent's wish list for a '73' sounds about right - a big screen, 64 or 128 RAM memory, WiFi - I'd only suggest adding a sparkier processor, getting rid of the crappy camera and please don't load 3rd Party programmes into the OS ROM. Oh, have its retail price no more than $CDN50 over the E2. The LifeDrive/Mobile Manager sounds like a interesting idea - but only if you want a portable video and audio player with browser capabilities. Otherwise, its overkill and 'way too overpriced for someone who wants a stable PDA with some of those capabilities in a 'lite' form.
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bazcook Posts:30
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| Posted:5/11/2005 11:58:39 AM |
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A postscript to the '73'.... And please, please, please - how about adding an user-replaceable battery - like the competition already does?
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buckeyetex315 Posts:6
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| Posted:5/15/2005 5:48:06 PM |
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bazcook - Thanks for adding the spec about the speedier processor. I guess it is all what you're used to using. Compared to my pokey old nag, the Vx, the current processor in the Zire 72 would be a racehorse. Ditto on the comments on the older versions of SW, but again, my PDA is so behind the times that those older SW versions are quite a bit newer than the ones I have now. Please tell me what you mean by a replaceable battery. Do you mean a replaceable Li Ion like a cell phone? If so, I would go for that also, even though I've never had any problems with any cell phone or my Palm Vx battery wearing out. But considering all the uproar over the non-replaceable batteries in the Apple iPods, I would support replaceable batteries in the Palm PDAs. Brent
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bazcook Posts:30
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| Posted:5/16/2005 1:53:33 PM |
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Brent, By user-replaceable battery I meant as that as found in most (if not all) Windows Mobile PDAs at the moment. With Pa1mOne, the battery that is enclosed in their PDA is rechargeable - and that's fine - just so long as you are not doing a lot power-draining stuff (like reading an ebook or writing in Docs2Go while listening to your RealOne Player, for instance) and you can access a charge regularly. Bear in mind, in PDAs like the 72 (or your Vx), once you've run out of charge, there goes all your information until the next time a charged unit can be hotsynced with your Desktop. Also, should your ownership of the PDA outlive the lifespan of the battery enclosed, there is no really elegant way of swapping out the battery for new one. It can be done, but it ain't pretty - http://www.gethightech.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=GHT&Category_Code=_TungEBat Just like, as you say, the brouhaha with the iPod. Now, with most Windows Mobile units, they have two batteries in each unit. One the rechargeable, and one as a backup for hotswapping the rechargeable - with an easy access door at the back to get to it. You can get an additional rechargeable battery and either charge it up (some of the cradles available have a space for just this) for emergency use or just stash it away for the inevitable death of the original battery. I'd like to upgrade from my E - not because of lack of memory or speed, but because what does appeal is Wi-Fi - but Pa1mOne appears to have no clear grasp of it. Bundles are available to the 72 and T5, but that means losing access to the SD card at the same time and having a portion of the Wi-Fi card sticking out - just waiting to get snapped off. Wi-Fi is readily available in Windows Mobile units, built-in and fully integrated, but I'm really not all that keen on the OS or ActiveSync or Outlook or..... Your 'pokey old nag' sounds like it has served you well and I hope you find one that satisfies as well at it did. P1's build quality is suspect these days, the OS can be problematic and their Support these days sucks, but catch a unit on a good build day and track down some of the excellent OS5-friendly freeware out there and you should be served well.
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